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I took some new pics of the Belair before it left for New Hampshire Nashau show for judging.

It has a non-stock battery and plastic electric fans that are removed before judging.

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Lawnchairs in the back seat
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Numbers off of the seamless frame
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Awesome!!!

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Simply Fantastic, Great looking car.

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Very nicely done. Hope you win some trophies with it.

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Very Nice, real clean, good luck at the show....

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Post by Chevy 97 »

Very nice, original 283? Dad had a 56 four door belair. He wishes he had that back. Had a 265 power pack in it. three speed on the column though. I love those 56, 57 chevy's.

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Chevy 97 wrote:Very nice, original 283? Dad had a 56 four door belair. He wishes he had that back. Had a 265 power pack in it. three speed on the column though. I love those 56, 57 chevy's.
Yep the original Super Turbo Fire 283 Power PAck with a single 4 barrel carb, higher 9.5:1 cr, PP cam and dual exhaust. All told it makes a rip roaring 220 gross hp and 300 gross lb/ft torque. It has the old cast iron case Powerglide which weighs a ton.


Thanks for all the great comments guys. We'll see how she did at the show. Not bad looking for 23 year old paint.

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Post by Boosted-Z71 »

That 283 was well under estimated by the General, I have seen period correct similar rebuilds on the dyno at 270+ hp, so she aint as lame as the numbers say.

What carb does it have on it?

Good Luck at the show I am sure it will fare well, Great looking car!

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Cool where is the show at?

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Hog,

Very nice! Do you have an enclosed trailer to take it to the show?

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Holy crap, 23 year old paint? That paint looks better than new paint.

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That's a Very good looking car there man!

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That is absolutely beautiful. Good Luck at the show. Let us know how it did.

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Boosted-Z71 wrote:That 283 was well under estimated by the General, I have seen period correct similar rebuilds on the dyno at 270+ hp, so she aint as lame as the numbers say.

What carb does it have on it?

Good Luck at the show I am sure it will fare well, Great looking car!

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Boosted, you may enjoy this article, its pits the 365hp 64-65 L76 327 against the 1964-65 L84 Rochester Ramjet Mechanical Fuel Injection 327. The 2 engines and cams are identical except the Ramjet engine has 10.5:1 compression where the single 4bbl has 9.5:1 C/R. Both engines have the "Fuelie" heads.
http://www.vetteweb.com/tech/vemp_0911_ ... ewall.html

The Diamondback 1957 that my Dad grew up in (the one that I just got back into my possession) had a brand new L76 327 engine. With dual 4's and 5.13 gears he ran against drag racing legend Jim Oddy and beat him in a grudge match race. The Diamondback was Dad's daily driver. On Sunday nights he would pop out the 3rd member wit the drag gears and install the street gears. These 8.2" 55-64 Chev passenger car rears had the drop out 3rd member and loaded from the front just like the F*$d 9" rearends. He had 2 3rdmebers set up ready to go.
This is the Diamondback, my new project(this car is locally famous and has had 2 clones made of it with total dollar values exceeding $300,000.
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That's interesting about the 283's. I know that the Belair (with multiple pics above) moves out without issue. I can hold 1st gear to 60 mph, then shift into high. 60mph with the 1.76:1 low gear makes 60mph roughly 5000rpm, it uses the stock 3.36:1 gearing that came with the Powerglide trans. Left to its own devices it upshifts at about 45-50mph.
This 283 Powerpack was rebuilt using all original specs, even using a stock cam(which still has a nice rumpity rump to it) and stock Carter WCFB 4bbl as this is the carb that came on the 57 engines with higher compression heads, dual exhausts where more performance is required. These were known as the Power Packs.
The PowerPacks on the 1956 265 used the Rochester 4GC 4bbl carb, but the PP on the 283 of 57 got the Carter WCFB. Then the dual 4bbl intakes got the Carter WCFB with a 2627S on the rear and a 2626S on the Front.. All Carter WCFB's used 1 5/16" Primary AND secondary throttle bore.

Here is the lineup of engines for Passenger cars for MY1957
I have a 220hp@4800rpm/300lb/ft@3000rpm SUper Turbo Fire (aka PowerPack) 283 that has the higher c/r heads-9.5:1, slightly larger cam, single 4bbl cab and dual exhaust. The step down Turbo Fire-non-Power Pack 283 has the smaller cam, 8.5c/r, 2 bbl carb, single exhausr rated at 185hp@4600rpm/275lb/ft@2400rpm
Step down the rpo list of available engines and we get the 1957 Turbo Fire 265, a rareity with 2 bbl carb 8.0:1 c/r 162hp@4400rpm/257 lb/ft@2400rpm.
Then the old Blue Flame V6 235 cubes 8.0:1 cr 140hp@4200rpm/210lb/ft@2400rpm.

Above the Super turbo Fire 283 on the rpo list are the High Performance "Corvette" engines, all these engines were available in the Vette and the other passenger cars in 1957.

283 Dual 4bbl carbs 9.5:1 c/r 245hp@5000rpm/300lb/ft@3800rpm
283 Fuel Injection 9.5:1 c/r 250hp@5000rpm/305lb/ft@3800rpm

Then these were replaced with the engines that contained the "Competition Camshaft"
283 Dual 4bbl carbs 9.5:1 c/r 270hp@6000rpm/285lb/ft@4200rpm
283 Fuel Injection 10.5:1 c/r 283hp@6200rpm/290lb/ft@4400rpm

On the actual dyno these competition cammed "fuelies" actually outputted 290hp and the later Ramjet 283's are the same exact engines as the 57 ramjet, just with the different 290hp rating.


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Whipped383 wrote:Cool where is the show at?
the show was in Nasshau New Hampshire. Judging was regulated by the Classic Chev International (CCI) and the Worldwide Camaro Club. It ran from last Wednesday til yesterday June 30 2013.
Round trip from here was 1258 miles.

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z71gmc06 wrote:Hog,

Very nice! Do you have an enclosed trailer to take it to the show?
Psssshht! Trailer, lol, it's a driven car. HWne Dad finished the frame off in the early 90's he dubbed this to be a car that would be driven and driven for fun. During one trip, my Mom and Dad drove to Florida, found a boat ramp and dripped the rear tires in the Atlantic Ocean, then after driving across the great country of America, they found a Californian boat ramp, and dipped the rear tires in the Pacific Ocean.
Mileage on the car when they started driving it was 0000000, now it sits at almost 80,000 miles. Engine, trans, rear were all rebuilt and most parts are NOS(New Old Stock) or rebuilt. Reproductions were acquired for use, but didn't meet Dad's expectations. This is why there are so many sets of external chrome and stainless parts. Thankfully Dad left me enough NOS side inserts and chrome parts to do at least 3 cars.

Dad used to laugh at the guys that would trailer their cars to the hotel, then drive to the show and enter their car in the driven class. Dad's car still beat them, gives an indicator as the quality of the car. This is simply not the case of the kid talking up his Father's work. It is all top notch and meant to be enjoyed. Mom was talking to a guy who has a 1957 car, I think it is a wagin, and it has 200 miles. And he has another 1957 car, that has not been driven on the street. These are museum pieces, but these cars aren't rare, with 1,561,655 built for MY1957, including Vettes.

Here are the production numbers by model.
Built Percentage of Total

150 Series, 6cyl & 8 Cyl
1502 2dr sedan 71,135 4.55
1503 4dr sedan 56,418 3.61
1508 2dr sedan delivery 8,907 0.57
1512 2dr utililty sedan 8,817 0.56
1529 2dr Handyman station wagon 15,087 0.97
150 Series Total 160,364 10.26

210 Series, 6cyl & 8 Cyl
2102 2dr sedan 162,851 10.43
2103 4dr sedan 273,696 17.53
2109 4dr Townsman station wagon 128,941 8.26
2113 4dr hardtop sport sedan 18,206 1.16
2119 4dr Beauville station wagon 23,952 1.53
2124 2dr Delray club coupe 25,952 1.66
2129 2dr Handyman station wagon 17,996 1.15
2154 2dr hardtop sport coupe sedan 23,092 1.48
210 Series Total 674,596 43.20

BelAir Series, 6cyl & 8 Cyl
2402 2dr sedan 62,942 4.03
2403 4dr sedan 264,449 16.93
2409 4dr Beauville station wagon 27,822 1.78
2413 4dr hardtop sport coupe 142,518 9.13
2429 2dr Nomad station wagon 6,264 0.40
2434 2dr convertible 48,068 3.08
2454 2dr hardtop sport coupe 168,293 10.78
BelAir Series Total 720,356 46.13

Corvette
2934 2dr convertible 6,339 0.41

** 1957 Grand Total 1,561,655 100.00

Reference: Motorbooks International,
Tri-Chevy Red Book by Peter C. Sessler


So there were 168,293 2 Door Hardtops Belairs (2door sports coupes) with Belair trim, I have 2 of them. There were 720,356 Belair cars made of all series which is 46% of total production. 674,596 or 43.20% were 210 series and 160,364 cars or 10.26% were 150 Series cars 6,339 Corvettes or 0.41% of all passenger cars were Corvettes.

Trailered cars do have their place, some of these cars are worth $100,000 esp. if they are convertibles that are Platinum cars. There are probably more convertibles now then were produced from the factory. STock fuel injection cars are worth more, and can be identified by the Corvette crossed-flags on the front fender. Again these flags are quite popular, but only around 950 fuel injected 57 Chevs were built. So I do understand the money investment, but I think that I would rather have a solid driver car, than something I would be to worried to drive on the road, but again, everyone is different.

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Speeder wrote:Holy crap, 23 year old paint? That paint looks better than new paint.
Yes Speeder, I remember wet sanding that beast with 2000 grit sandpaper. The paint was better than factory, but that's not hard to achieve. The stock paint had some arangepeel from the factory I am told.

All paint now up here in Canada is all waterbourne now, we cant even buy laquer paint supplies up here anymore I am told.
Thanks for the comments. The car was actually painted in the downdraft booth at Elliot Brothers Chevrolet here in Woodtsock back in the early 90's. That same dealership, is the same dealership where Dad bought that crate L76 64-65 365hp 327 crate engine, and crate 4 speed transmission some 25 years earlier. They had to set up scaffolding to paint the top of the roof as it was so tall. It was painted on a weekend not during work hours.

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Lextech wrote:That is absolutely beautiful. Good Luck at the show. Let us know how it did.

Jeff
Thanks a lot Jeff, it can be a lot of work as I know you know as you have some nice rides yourself.

Mom and her friend got back last night around 1am. She had fun, the car behaved well. Total odometer readout clocked 1258 miles from Woodtsock to Nasshau New Hampshire. Mom said she filled up with fuel every 200 miles, sometimes taking $4.00 of fuel, another receipt took $10.00 of fuel. Better to fill up too often, than run out. Once she passes on all the receipts I will report the total fuel useage and economy.

I checked all fluids and last checked the oil and sent Mom on her way wit the oil dead nuts on full when hot. I told her not to worry about it until she got there. Well it came time to come home, she said she drove 1/4 mile from the hotel to the service station, then checked the oil. She said it was just below the fill line. This makes sense as a lot of the cold oil is up in the engine after being run for a couple minutes. She put in almost a quart and she came home. I just checked the oil dead cold with all the oil in the pan and it was just below the full line. So she probably overfilled the oil a little when she left to come home and the level is perfect now.

As for the judging, I'm a little disappointed, but then I think she did well for being in storage for 3 years, then having a quick polish and then being judged. The car did win her class, she got 1st place in the Contemporary Class. Contemporary Class allows for 2 changes to the car. By the numbers this car should have a white roof, but Dad refused to paint it, so instead of being in the Restored Class it has always been in the Contemporary Class. We ended up not taking the original tar top battery, so that was the 2nd change allowed for the class. They used to classify radial reproduction tires as a change, but for safety they finally allowed radial reproductions without being penalized. Then their is the Junior and Senior classes. A Junior car is its 1st year being shown, whereas the Belair is certainly a Senior car.

Ok enough jabbering,

Silver Certificate (900-949 points)-scored 947 points- 1st place Contemporary-Senior Class- Nashua-New Hampshire, 37th Annual International Eckler's Chevy Classics, June 26-30th, 2013.

Bronze Certificate is 850-899 points, the Silver Certificate scores between 900-949 points, gold is between 950 and 969 points and Platinum is 970-1000 points, .
The Belair scored 947 points so 2 points short of a Gold.
But bottom line Mom had a blast, there were lots of people who asked where John was, they didn't know that Dad had died last August. There were lots of hugs and lots of tears, but Mom was happy she went and is looking forward to next time. She stated that she might just go to the shows in the "Show and Shine" groups where the cars aren't scored. But I have a feeling that Mom might want to get 1 more Platinum Certificate, but that's just my suspicion.
The judging groups mail out the score sheets to the owners at a later date, so we have no idea what we need to work on. Obviously the battery and maybe some underneath cleanliness, but who knows. Its a great car, and is driving well.

I'll let you all know how the points broke down and how she did for fuel mileage.

And thanks for all the nice compliments. Dealing with the car has been emotional for both of us. There are a few guys locally that have offered to buy the car, but I think if the car is ever sold, that we both want it to go far away. I'm not sure if I'd enjoy seeing it going down the road with someone else in the drivers seat. Maybe that's weird, but that's how I feel, a lot of our family life has involved this car.

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On the trip from Woodstock Ontario to Nashua New Hampshire, the 283 4bbl "Powerpack" Powerglide 2 speed auto trans and 3.36 rear gears netted 16.75 mpg consuming 74.75 gallons while covering 1255 miles engine mileage is now 77307 miles since the restoration way back in 1991. Mom said she cruised at roughly 65-70mph, with the 26.5" tire height on the 14" rim making for 2750-3000 cruise rpm (not factoring TC slippage).

Good work Dad.

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Post by Boosted-Z71 »

The big thing is that your Mom enjoyed the trip, I have a similar situation with my Dad who drives the 40 Lasalle Coupe on a daily basis. Every time I see him driving along with the big smile, it just makes my day. Sure its some wear and tear on the car, but that is what they were meant for.

Glad you did well in the show, 947 points is still a great showing.

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