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Hog
Joined: 11 Dec 2001
Posts: 4299
Location: 1997 Chev ECSB L31 350 1997 GMC Sierra SLE RCSB, Ontario
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 The Toybox-Vehicles of Recreation, Burning Fuel for Fun
In an effort to keep myself from hi-jacking other peoples threads I decided to make this thread to talk about any sort of vehicle that is fun.
I'll start it off with a snippit from another thread which I successfully hoared:
Hog,
It's a 700 triple. Yamaha SXR for those of you who know sleds. Goes as fast as I need to go. The triple pipes I just put on are 20 pounds lighter and are supposed to give me another 20 horsepower. I just need some snow so I can check my jetting before going on any extended rides.[/quote]
I don't know much about snow-machines, but I'm sure that 700cc triple would fly. My only 2 stroke triple cylinder experience was on water. I owned a 1997 Yamaha GP 1200 Waverunner that I bought new.
In the PWC(Personal Water Craft) world there are Stand-Ups (which are typical Jet-Ski's) these are the machines where there is a long arm that connects to the top/front of the macjine and the free end has the controls. Then there are Runabouts where you sit down to ride. I didnt enjoy the stand-ups much but doing triucks can be cool, I prefer high speed cruising and rough water/boat wake-jumping so a Runabout was for me.
The 97 GP came in 760 twin and 1200cc triple. My 1200cc was rated at 135 hp@6800rpm. The GP series was the replacement for the WaveRaider in the Yamaha lineup. The WaveRaider was the PWC that had the unique straked hull from front to back. Starting in 97 the GP series used a bew hull design without bow to stern strakes. This hull design from 1997 is still in use by some race teams to this day.
IIRC 2009 was the last year that Yamaha offered a 2 stroke triple engine in any of their PWC's, the only 2 stroke engine in ANY PWC from ANY manufacturer is the Yamaha VX700S which makes 80hp@10,000rpm. The 701 cc engine has been around since 1993. The 701 is akin to the Vortec 4.3 engine for GM, its a good reliable engine and just keeps going and going.
Yamaha's newer muscleboat engine is the 1812cc inline 4 cylinder 4 stroke engine, it can be had either naturally aspirated with an 11.0:1 and the centrifugally supercharged version gets a lower 8.6:1 compression ratio. These newer engine make well over 200hp stock, but these newer machines weigh over 850lbs, some over 1000lbs.
My GP1200 was a 2 seat machine, but most PWC's now are 3 seat or 4 seat. No more 2 seaters as that would limit the buying market too much. To legally tow a wakeboard or water skier, you must have a seat for the driver, must have a seat for the actual skier/boarder and MUST have a seat for the spotter which is legally required whenever skiiing or boarding.
There was a guy that had a Stalker handheld radar gun at the dock the 1 day I was at Turkey Point on the North end of Lake Erie. Trimmed out on a very smooth lake my speed was 58.6 mph. That boat would do 0-50mph in 3.8 or 3.9 seconds IIRC. Once the revs were up a bit that thing pulled HARD. These newer machines now have Tractrion Control because the engines are so powerful the impellers will sit there and cavitate in teh water. The 2012 supercharged Yamaha's claim a 0-30mph in 1.5 seconds with the nearest Sea-Doo doing 0-30mph in 1.8 seconds.
All this talk of PWC's sure has me horny for another machine. Maybe a newer powerplant in an older hull?
Are the newer snowmobiles getting heavier the newert they are like the PWC's (and trucks for that matter)?
peace
Hog
And here is a response from Whipped 383
My sled is a 91 polaris SKS with a 670 doo motor its a frankensled wife has a 97 700RMK. Mountain sleds are getting lighter as far as the chassis goes but also heavier with the longer tracks some are even getting smaller motors because they have lightened them up so much. Not a 4 stroke toy fan 2 strokes are simple and light and run great but thats also another debate. I also have 2 86 honda 250r four wheelers also 2 stroke one with a 330 big bore kit on it.
Enjoy!
peace
Hog
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| Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:22 am |
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Whipped383
Joined: 01 Mar 2010
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Location: Salt Lake, 97K1500,ECSB, 383,Whipple,0411,Marine, 03K2500,CCSB,8.1&Allison, Whipple in progress
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You didnt hoard that other thread it was about snow so we started talking about sleds
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| Fri Jan 13, 2012 7:16 am |
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Makoi
Joined: 24 Mar 2005
Posts: 4141
Location: 2010 GMC Yukon Denali
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My first experience on a snowmobile was a 60's era Johnson Ski-Horse. Then my Uncle bought a couple John Deere's that were green and like 300cc. Fun, so I bought my own machine. That was a 1976 Ski Doo Olympic. I bought it at a boat store brand new about a half mile from where I was living. There was a really good snowstorm going on, so I rode it home! Riding that along the powerlines up in Northern Ontario proved it to be a bit weak in deep snow. Floatation was good, just not enough power. The Olympic was a 340cc machine. In 1980, I bought a John Deere Liquifire 440cc with a 3 cylinder Kawasaki engine. Brand new. That got quite a bit of work done to it, and I raced the heck out of it. Crashed at least 4 times and suffered some broken bones on occasion. What a riot! The fastest I ever crashed was doing between 80 and 90 mph when I missed a curve. (Sudbury trip) Traveling down that same road today in a car, I still marvel at how far I flew through the air from where machine and Makoi separated.
I don't have a snow machine any more, but if I got another I think I'd probably go two up, long track, and cushy suspension. Racing roads at 100 mph+ is just past me now. I'm probably lucky to be alive.
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| Fri Jan 13, 2012 9:41 am |
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Whipped383
Joined: 01 Mar 2010
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Location: Salt Lake, 97K1500,ECSB, 383,Whipple,0411,Marine, 03K2500,CCSB,8.1&Allison, Whipple in progress
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My speedo doesent work on mine witch is probably good cause Im sure itd scare me how fast I was going. Here in the winter they close the mountain passes and groom the roads but they get pretty beat up and are hard packed you can venture off the trail anywhere you want and go play in the powder witch is alot of fun but plan on digging your macine out and lots of work, everyone gets stuck especially inexpierienced riders and my brother on his 2 up beast. My wife stays on the trails shes to scared to throttle out in the powder and cant lean to make it turn gets scared when shes about to hit a tree and burries it. We get some great powder here tho its utah greatest snow on earth
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| Fri Jan 13, 2012 6:11 pm |
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Makoi
Joined: 24 Mar 2005
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Location: 2010 GMC Yukon Denali
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CrazyHoe
Joined: 19 Feb 2008
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Location: Mtl; '98 2dr4x4 Tahoe, L31,Hookers Long T, 0411,EFIlive, 4L80-E,dual 3",marine int+inj
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Edit:  Wrong tread.
I had a Motoski futura 444 LC a looong time ago. That thing was fun but had 0 suspension and was a handful to keep upright.
Also had a Suzuki PE 175
Dream toy if possible:
Helicycle
Last edited by CrazyHoe on Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:25 am; edited 1 time in total
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| Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:02 am |
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z71gmc06
Joined: 08 May 2007
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Location: Michigan
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Speaking of burning fuel for fun. I saw a Ski Doo burn to the ground on Friday. When they brought it out of the woods it was just a skeleton of metal pieces.
I was talking to the owner afterward and he said he smelled something burning and looked down and his pant leg was on fire so he bailed off to put it out and by the time he turned back around the sled was completely engulfed in flames.
It was a true Friday the 13th!
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| Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:28 pm |
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Hog
Joined: 11 Dec 2001
Posts: 4299
Location: 1997 Chev ECSB L31 350 1997 GMC Sierra SLE RCSB, Ontario
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z71gmc06 wrote:Speaking of burning fuel for fun. I saw a Ski Doo burn to the ground on Friday. When they brought it out of the woods it was just a skeleton of metal pieces.
I was talking to the owner afterward and he said he smelled something burning and looked down and his pant leg was on fire so he bailed off to put it out and by the time he turned back around the sled was completely engulfed in flames.
It was a true Friday the 13th!
Well, that is a different way to burn fuel for fun. Talk about an External Combustion Engine.
peace
Hog
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| Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:43 am |
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hquick
Joined: 10 Aug 2006
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Location: Melbourne, Oz-----98 K1500 LT Suburban. RHD, 0411, Whipple, Marine, 4L80E, Trutrac, H/boost,E-Fans
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| Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:27 pm |
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z71gmc06
Joined: 08 May 2007
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Location: Michigan
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Here's a pic of my toy with the custom seat I just had made. That with a 2 inch handlebar riser makes the ride so much better.[/img]
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